Hatematch. Soap & water @ avenger's mouth.

whoever made a rule saying that 40ms vs 55ms is fair -> it's far dumbest rule i ever heard.

despite the ping issue, games were really worth watching. looking forward to seeing reppie vs ave/locktar in the final.

pity, wanted to see paradoks vs locktar

eurowhine about pings is fun!

Ave's face during DM6: >:|
Ave's face during DM2: >:(
Ave's face during DM4: >:o

40ms vs 55ms is perfectly fair if the other player is used to play with 55ms. Its just that you kurwas cant grasp that higher ping is much worse when you _rarely_ play with it and you kurwas play all your non kurwa matches with 50-100.

fuck u and your ping

40ms vs 55ms is not fair, NEVER.

fuck u and your ping

now iv learned something... to get fair pings i have to ask my friend who will up qwserver every time i will play duelmania cus iv got 10ms to him.

thats should resolve problems in future.

Would euros survive with NA connections?

Nice games. Para had 28.x% LG with 55 ping in dm6, it seems his shaft is... not bad.

Avenger is better than I thought! Good dm4 of him. Congrats.

I keep saying to myself the following thing: Para has GREAT movement/footwork, is able to perform any moves/bunnies/RJs/etc, he has a killer shaft, he has a great RL aim too... why the hell isn't he one of the "elite" in dm4? To be honest, it seems to me that dm4 is more about practise. So yeah, he should play less dm6 and more dm4 and become one of today's top dm4 players, I know he has what it takes... but hey, I might be wrong. =/

first of all, Sassas commentary was teh shit! :)

#6: what has "rarely playing on whatever ping" to do with the tournament? i think it's the players choice on what pings they practice.
try to make athletes from poor countries compete in the olympics barefoot cause they're so not used to wearing shoes... must agree with HL it's the dumbest rule ever

sure ave's behavior was not the finest one (keeping a pokerface would be much more 313373) but in the end he played by the rules altho they suck and owned anyway so big r3spect

oh and para's in-game div0 delay at dm2 and minping whine was really poor competing, well deserved loss =)

#13
You got it all wrong the poor athletes are forcing the swedes with brand new nikes to run barefoot. And the goddamn swedes limp to the finish line because they have never run barefoot. Thats what a minping rule that allows a minping greater than 39 is. True it is players choice on what ping he/she practices but i believe its fair to assume that kurwas who have good ping to .pl and shit to _everywhere_ else are accustomed in playing with shit ping.

So im just pointing out that equal pings arent necessarily fair like the kurwas tend to believe.

just my 2 cents

<3 hfg

hfg for future there is only two options...
1. Duelmania will make new rules that players from country far away from denmark, swe ,finland or with worst routing to tham, are not allow to sign up or...
2. players who dont want play vs players from other country becouse of ping shoudl not sign up.

few polish players didnt like to play with high ping and thay did own 1v1 league... so u can do the same.

GL and dont take our time for this shit.

para didnt stand a chance on any map apart from dm6 vs ave:/


dm2 would have been a nice demo if para did not leave his PC to chat on irc.

Who is the best polish dueller? I thought it was Insane, but Para has owned him in a few duelmanias and non-tourney matches I think... is Avenger actually better? Insane has a neat style though.

haha, nice sportmanship alt-tabbing for five minutes in the middle of a game :>

By the way, wasn't minping set to 42 according to the rules? 4 times 13? That's what they agreed? ANd during the entire map, most of the time Ave had 55-56 ? So it's not a 20ms difference as Avenger stated in the duelmania match report, where he was all "I won even with 40 vs 60!" .. Heh. Not wanting to start any flames though ;)

This has been discussed a LOT of times before. And it seems there are two kind of opinions o this...

1. The Blind People. Yeah, that's why I call them. People who only say "equal pings is 100% FAIR!". "None of them has advantage!", "They shouldn't whine/complain!".
---While that is true to some extent, you can't forget about the opinions of the Non-Blind people, who see beyond the bloody ping digits.

2. The Non-Blind People. (hehe, just making this up, I know, sounds lame, but anyways...). These are the people who take 2 seconds to analyze the following: Most swedes, finns, danes, etc, are used to play with 13/26 and at worst, 39ms. They always have those pings. Now, on the other hand, and as poster #15 said, the polish people have high pings EVERYWHERE outisde Poland, so they play with those high pings ALL THE TIME! .. So, in a tourney match, the Polish player plays with something he's very used to play, and feels rather comfortable with, while the other player, has to raise his ping to something he ALMOST NEVER has??

Whoever is unable to spot the disadvantage in there, well, mate, I'm sorry to inform you: you're just... Hrm.. I don't wanna insult anyone. Lets just say you just didn't take the 2 seconds require to think this over.

ANYWAYS, I spoke to Para after these matches and he told me he felt quite more comfortable with the 42 ping in dm4, and Ave still won, so props to the Polish guy for that! :)

One last thing: Avenger, don't hate Para, hate the rules! Or better yet, hate reality, which is: every single opponent you've played, has at one point complained/whined at his ping. Have you ever wondered why they do that, and you don't? It's not that you are good and they are not... it's just, they're not used to that...

But as I said, this subject is long, because on the other hand, I hate to see players complaining about pings when they play with 26ms, that's just ridiculous. A good player must know how to play with different pings... But 55? Might be a bit too much =) ... Whoever hasn't yet, go download reppie vs. def in the american tournament, where reppie, with a ping over 90, ALMOST beat def in a best out of 3.. good 3 maps in there :) Hehe. That's admirable :P

Ken its not hate... i always got big respect to him... but after this game he is noone for me. No more respect, he is just another dick on qw.

Ken. Seems like u r swede, finn or dane. And when u tryed to play with ping 52 u realise that this is shit or something like it.
I'm from Russia, playing with Triada many games and so on. But, i spend 90% of my qw time playing with ping 12 on russian servers. I played with ping 52 a lot and i know only one thing about it - its really hard to play with that ping. I know that if i lost to someone with pings 12 vs 12, i'll lost to him with 52 vs 52 too. With same score.
So, may be i'm blind but i think that none of them has advantage.

Ken -> you're calling the ppl that disagree with you blind/dumd.

I stand on position that fair pings are FAIR pings, and it's not because i didnt analyze it for more then 2 seconds.

taking an example, will scandinavian football teams argue to have one player more when playing against spain teams in uefa, to make it "fair"? after all, they're not used to play in 30 degrees...

para knew he's gonna play with high ping vs avanger, he could prac few games before the game with that ping, if he didnt do it, it's his fault.
when you play in international tournament, you have to realize the costs of it.

I DONT WANNA KNOW YOUR NAME
I DONT WANNA MEET YOUR MOM
I DONT WANT RELATIONSHIP
I JUST WANT
BLAH BLAH BLAH

btw Ken is dominican republican right? somewhere in carribean. anyway Ken is cool guy always was with me I dunno maybe he went to dark side i havent seen him in a while. the big thing about Ken is he is a huge para fan :)

Para is quite good on dm4. But everyone has good days and everyone has bad days. I always say this. Para has had a lot of starlight on him... Avenger not so much (except in 1on1 polish leagues maybe).. So maybe it is Avengers time and he knows it :)

Watch how calm Ave is on dm4, out of all the maps dm4 is the most psychological, you are playing against the other players mind more than his experience and aim at that high level. That said Para made some surprisingly good attacks on dm4, but nothing mattered.. Ave seemed to have rock solid nerves.

@ #19 of course Ave is better dueller than I am. I`m more into 4on4 B>

#24
Seems like you like creating meaningless analogies. Well lets make an analogy that actually works in the minping kurwa issue. Theres a kurwa football team who have a kurwa stadium where they can control the temperature. Sometimes the kurwa champions want to relax and chill and use a normal temperature but when the real shit starts going on they use +45C. So before a match they think "lets toast the fuckers and cripple 'em" and flip a switch to +45C. Then they are like aaah +45C feels like home when the other team is like wtf is this goddamn heat and 6 of their players are out because of a heatstroke. Now the swedes dont have enough players and the kurwas own them.

I find it curious that no one of the kurwas admit that equal pings are just cripling the team taht never plays with shit minping. For example i saw DC(highlanders clan) playing like what fucking 200 pracs in the summer almost everytime i refreshed ase. So lets see where did they play the games? Oh man oh man i could swear atleast 70% on wargamez. One might ask with what ping!? Well cant tell for sure but im enough confident that id bet my right testicle that they didnt have avg ping 40. Its undeniable that they have the advantage when the pings will be matched their ping with minping.

Dont take me wrong im not bashing this particular match i just like to make some random whine on the minping issue when i can and thats mainly because quake with minping 55/50 isnt quake. Sure 55 is playable i dont deny it i just in my personal opinion dont enjoy the game anymore. After 123980912th splash damage from a rocket shot in the wall or maybe a missed jump or maybe a quad bore the hate just comes and starts to build up ;D

Make the temperature above more like +65C ;D

well imho its all OK but why the hell para played (and WON!!) dm6 with 50ms but couldn't play dm4 with same conditions? is there more lg axxion or what?

Just to give my point of view in a useless discussion: I believe the thing is not really that it is harder to play with such and such ping, I believe that the point is that if you play all 13 ping, you develope a different playingstyle than if you play all the time with 55 ping. If I am allowed to speak for myself:

we have two players xal12 and xal55 (xal12 has played 12 ping for more than a week, xal55 has played 55 ping for more than a week).

xal12 vs xal55 both at 55 ping, xal55 wins.
xal12 vs xal55 both at 12 ping, xal12 wins.

Some people are talented enough to make both these cases a draw, that is adopting their game of play (short time perspective) according to the ping. I am not one of those!

As to comment this demo, I think that 1on1 is psychological all the way. Aim, that is something having to do with arena, povdmm4 and midair. Movement, that has something to do with fancyness. Duel, that is something where you have to break down the mind of your enemy, using your telepatic power of napalm, forcing him to do silly mistakes.

Erh, ye, I probably just go and do a Phd in this topic.

I totally agree about developing the playing style depending on ping Xali.

Some ppl are really blind here, even when they claim otherwise (hi Ken!). Take off that blindfold ffs and realise that we (Poles) in most cases aren't used to high pings more than you do and we neither like it nor enjoy! I for example <ego starts here> ended 5th and 4th in duelmania1/2.pl losing only to Insa/Ave/Era </ego ends here> and never even tried to sign up for duelmania.eu knowing I would have to play with ping 50 in most games which is just not fun to me. There are more like me here. And those who nevertheless decided to sign up, expected fair treating by the admins/rules, but all they got is 'stfu u f*ckn kurwa, u r used to 50 and hes not'. And such tone some ppl continue here which is kinda retarted.

So either change the name of this competition to 'duelmania.eu with rules made to favour nordic pingwhiners' or make some clear minping rule like 'fairest server and minping up to 50 if difference is bigger than 5'. That would solve 99% of problems. Yes, IT IS THAT EZ.

I've watched demos from Avenger the last 5 years or so, and I think he is a very talented player, only losing a qw duel if he doesn't care about the game or if he's watching TV while playing.

I would not risk a statement that GM ParadokS is not an elite DM4 player, but truth to be told GM Avenger is the best DM4 player in Europe.
Another case is the behaviour. It is not me to judge that (I am not a GM), but IMHO Grandmasters should give a good example to hundreds of players spectating the match.
As when it comes to the situation in Poland, we have two GMs (GM Avenger and GM -insane-), and all players there have huge respect to both and their (rare!) duels always get a lot of attention.

some players are used to playing with a higher ping yes, so if they play against someone whos used to having lower ping and has to pingup then yes they wont be as comfortable with it. However i dont think that its fair that the higher ping player shud suffer from a less punishing lg solely because of his ping, when his aim on a lower ping wud be more lethal.

paradox alt tabbed in a offical game, end of.

lame.

thats paras problem that hes not used to play with highjer ping. skill is skill. ave has skill even on ping 55. i wonder why ave could train lg with ping 55 and para didnt... para didnt play first time so he should know that he may be forced to play with 55ms... dont forget thats dm finals and ave has rights to have the same chances

and u stupid fucks stop calling poles kurwas. if there was a little bit of respect there wouldnt be such situations. u think ave can play with 55 coz hes from pl... who r u guys?!?

have to agree with tialls #31: para requested his minping rights just in the decider... on one hand it means the games were fair pingwise in 66% but on the other it creates this dominant out-game position. ave suggested to switch sides and play in poland with minping what would be a fair solution. ofc not accepted by rules :)

hfg, if you increase the temperature to +45C it will be same shitty for BOTH teams, so it's still fair.

common folks, it's like you've been saying, that para should start with +10 frags on dm4, coz he rarely play this map and is not used to it, so that +10 frags makes it fair. it's the same bulshit as with the ping.

WHO CARES whether your opponent is "more used to" this or that. If you want to win the game, adopt to the conditions you will play instead of searching for handicaps hideing your lack of skills.

if you want to play with 13ms only, play local tournaments only.

#42

Haha no its not shitty for both teams read more carefully i said the kurwa team feels like home :DD

hopefully we all know ping is fps dependent. so let's take a lan tournament for example (same pings) but with kurwas on pentium1 and swes on pentium2. poles are so used to 40fps that it feels like home? despite the fact that pl prac locally 13-39? nigga plz :F

no worries, thats just BLAH. i only hope your "lets improve tournaments with stupid ideas" made para loose more comfortable :P

and a final thought: it's not just the swedes who prefer "new nikes" over running barefoot so why not play half games here half there? or at least one as ave suggested? lame :I

we are all same human being, so stop that bullshit with handicaping. if ave can play with 55ms, so can para. it doesnt matter how shity it feels as long it's same for both.

you dont want to practice with 50ms - fine, noone is forceing you to do that, but dont cry after the game that the ping doesnt feel like 13ms.

what's so hard to understand here?

if you're not willing to accept that europe is a bit larger that just sweden which obviously creates ping issues, then dont signup to european tournaments.

hey i accept europe is larger than sweden but poland is the only one with minping 100 :DD like i said im not bashing this particular game just the minping rule in general

It is just a big shame that this fine victory is trying to get covered with a neverending ping whining.
It would be cool if people would write "GG" instead. Is that too difficult?

GG!

great games, ave really played well, was cool to watch. good luck vs locky ave.

it's ok, to bash minping.
it's not ok to blur the eyes with "40 vs 55 is fair" thingy.

lol highlander, of course the player that is used to higher ms will have a HUGE advantage over the player that is used to 20ms, is totally different.

i dont think para would beat avenger in dm4 or dm2 even if they two played with 20ms or something, but i bet the game would have a tight score, and dm6 would be a huge rape, that im sure.

and btw, i dont like paradoks, im just stating my opinion.

I dont have to practice on 55ms, because I played polish players before on polish servers with 40ms. But this time their server was online, so really I can't see it is my problem or me being unfair to enforce rules at hand.

#51: did you understand anything from what i wrote?

#53: para in your opinion 40ms vs 55 was fair? or you just used the stupid rule that was handy for you?

Hey rules are rules, don't blame para, blame the referee! But as you know, the referee has always right!

40ms vs 55 was fair BECAUSE blah blah blah rules rulez more blah blah blah more rulez, kurwas insult and even more blah blah blah

and btw, i dont like paradoks, im just stating my opinion.

HAY GUYS KEEP IT UP, I BELIEVE WERE ON THE VERGE OF A BREAKTHROUGH TO GREATER UNDERSTANDING AND SENSIBLE COMPROMISE IF WE JUST KEEP THIS UP!!!!"1

after a thorough review i think it was correct move by paradoks in the dm2 game

avenger was getting every shot he needed and played very very good dm2 game (polska style) so para decided to sit back and just focus on the decider

was it good for the specs? who knows... but i think it was a wise decision for paradoks, whatever the outcome of the decider

the dm4.... avenger did get nervous here and there (his first suicide for example) but paradoks was out of control. with two frags in it, he was attacking with so much risk, missing RA (good thing he kept spawning on it) etc...

well it was gg

to australia, i get 12ms.
to new zealand, i get 52ms.

What does it take for me to get used to the higher ping to play in new zealand?

1 x 3min povdmm4
or
1 x 10min dmm3 [any map]

its not that hard.

dirtbox: well, no wonder you're compared to the very famous fakenicking reload! :)

Phil: hey man, no dark side... I'm still here :)

I'm not calling dumb everyone who disagrees with me. I'm calling that to whoever refuses to see, that in this particular situation, that is a VALID point! Ave might play 70-80% of the time with low pings on Poland, but when he has to play another dueller from elsewhere, he has HIGH ping (say, 55?).. so, at least 20-30% of the time, he has that ping. On the other hand, ParadokS, can ping 13-39 to pretty much everywhere, even Poland *IF* that one server where he played Insane was up. So, what % of his playing is actually done on 55 ping?? .. Now, reading this parragraph, the question still is: Don't you think one of them will have a slight advantage when they both play with 55? If you say "no", then.... blah, whatever.

Maybe it's like dirtbox says, and it take sa little while to get used to it. But other "top" players like Xalibur, on this very same thread, admit that they can NOT get used to pings like that, pings they _almost never_ play with. So what is it? A matter of skills? Or a matter of just never playing with a ping that high?

It's like it's been said before: the gamestyle is different.. playing on 55, I doubt the gameplay would be exactly the same, and it's just AIM that has to be adapted, by playing a 3 min povdmm4. That is bullcrap. Maybe someone that is much more confident on 13ms, has to be more careful with 55, etc.. things like that change.

I don't know why we're discussing this though. Ave did win dm4, even when Para had 42 ping and could play better. That's how it went. Good for Ave. Not good for the insults to Para, though.

Oh, and Phil.. Yeah, I'm a fan of his, but it doesn't mean I'll defend him on everything he does. I've always thought it's kindof lame to "quit playing" like it happened in dm2.

This conjured debacle of ping is the result egos flaring up like a pack of hemroids. When def competed in euro tournies he used to train by playing regularly on euro servers as well as using qizmo to raise his ping on local servers. If para have the intelligence and/or the inclination to do the same, then that's his problem. The bottom line is Para still doesn't have what it takes to win a tournament. I might be wrong but has Para ever won a 1on1 tournament? At the end of the day it's not about 50 vs 55 ping or how much time you've had to prepare for a tournament, whether you had to play on a laptop or how rusty you were. You either defeat the odds so you can win or deal with it and prepare to lose. Para played well but not well enough to come out the favorite. If you're a true champion, chances are you're not just going to have close games and scrape by as the winner as would of been the case here against Avenger had Para won. You're going to destroy your competition and be a clear cut winner. The fact that we're arguing trivial matters concerning ping when 55 ping is considered very low by most just proves that Para was just not good enough to be a clear cut winner and didn't truly deserve to win this tournament.

Clearly Paradoks should have had the intelligence to play on polish servers as his match with Avenger drew near and noticed that he needed to work on his 55ms game. Something like this would have never happened to Def, which is the kind of thing that divides the winners from the losers.

*If para DIDN'T have the intelligence and/or the inclination to do the same..

#32
xal12 vs xal55 both at 55 ping, xal55 wins.
xal12 vs xal55 both at 12 ping, xal12 wins.

Its not so simple imho.
It was proven many times that it doesn't work.
I've watched zilion duels when 13ms div0 players get owned by 60-70ms div0 players, maybe playing 4fun but still. And why xal12 would win vs xal52 @ 12 ping? Imho if someone has decent skill at 55ms he can only do better with 12ms. I'd see ave @ qhlan, since he hasn't got conn @ home he played @ caffe and is used to ppl watching/supporting him live. Many experienced players hasn't got such psychological-comfort thats why they winning only 4fun matches...

I have talked extensively about ping in thread 29949.

I will reiterate some of what I have already posted in that thread in post #3 and #28 to counter the logic that playing consistently with higher ping then moving to lower ping makes you instantly a better player. From my own experience and from extensive observation of others I strongly believe it's more the other way around.

>>> Post #3 paragraph #2:
"I have long thought that ping in QW plays a vital role in the long-term development of a player. If the ping is frequently low then the player is much apt to perform and master risky moves because the low ping enables him to pull it off consistently. This is why when you see a normally low ping player, playing with high ping they still move and play pretty much the same complexity because having frequent low ping afforded them the ability to master it. Frequently higher ping players don't have the same flexibility of movement and precision so they tend to avoid it since they have a lower consistency in their gameplay while attempting to master complex moves. Obviously the same logic applies to computer, settings, and mouse speed but this is much more difficult to analyze because it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some computers that are slower will run some games far better than a competing faster computers. Computer speed and settings are more relative as software is designed to target different system platforms."

>>> Post #28 paragraph #3
"When you did play with a lower ping were you guys not able to move better? When I do ztricks by setting up mvdsv on local host with (77 fps) I am able to learn bunny maps like ztricks/ztricks2 much faster, because I can do them more consistently. This also brings up an interesting point. I master ztricks far faster on localhost but once I am able to do it, and can pretty much do it on any server as long as my ping is below 100."

In my conversations of ping in thread 29949 only these two paragraphs really apply. The rest of the content applies to differences in ping of 10+ ms which isn't applicable to this game.

For the record one of the most notible acheivements of my conversations in that thread was me coming up with an arbitrary way of quantifying skill.

// attempting to reduce skill to a quantifiable level

reaction.time = sensitivity, maxspeed, sidespeed, upspeed, downspeed, game_player.reactionspeed; // virtually any possible speed that has to do with movement that is in some way clamped by the client/server

game_player.delay += (reaction.time + delay.ping)

game_player.movement -= game_player.delay;
game_player.aim -= game_player.delay;
game_player.prediction -= game_player.delay;

// skill
game_player.movement += human_player.movement;
game_player.prediction += human_player.prediction;
game_player.aim += human_player.aim;

#51
u dont know what r u talking about. with equal pings (about 20) ave would rape para on every map u say and no matter of paras lg.

btw. im wondering what will happen when locktar- ave match will come :) i gess only stupid/ fat para could done sth like this in finals...

>I don't know why we're discussing this though.

because idiotic rules must be changed or we will see this shit all over again. it's not that much about this particular game as hpw ave won it anyway.

> I'm calling that to whoever refuses to see, that in this particular situation, that is a VALID point!

it wasnt a particular situation, this handicap was given by the rules.

You cannot analyze each players games from past few months to decide what kind of handicap he needs. it has nothing to do with sportmanship.
just like i said with scandinavian team vs spain team. What if game happen to be played with 50C, will it be a 'particular situation' that allows scandinavian to play with some sort of handicap? after all noone was prepared for that high temperature?

each competing players must be treated equaly by rules - is there anything wrong about this statement?
Actual rules gives handicap to swedes.

FLAMEWARZZZZZZ

it cant be fair anyway you do it, if someone is used to 55 its obviously that one has advantage if both has 55, but 40 vs 55 is also disadvantage ofcourse, but who cares avenger won dm4 with disadvantage anyway

haha just gotta love those comparisons to sport :) keep up with the bullshit :E

#68

i know what im talking about..is my opinion, if u dont like well, just ignore it.

@25 phil:
"I JUST WANT BLAH BLAH BLAH"

You wanted me? Here I am.

oneshotflinch's skill formula is missing the ingredient of luck ;P

That's definitely true if you believe luck is a skill! ;>>

i enjoyed xali's post. it made a lot of sense to me.

All I'm going to say is that Highlander is correct. Oh, and Dirtbox, I've said the same thing before (see Quakeworld WorldCup North America vs. Poland).

I'm going to 2nd that. I'm with Highlander although I think my posts dig deeper on the issue but maybe too much so, to the point of possibly being convoluted.

GJ Highlander for pointing out what should be obvious :p

Also, I would like to point out where variance in ping is concerned it is likely that the Americans are going to have the most experience in this department and therefore have a weighted opinion. Americans frequently find themselves on servers with pings ranging from 30-100+. This frequent variance in ping not only gives them first hand experience of what it's like but also enables them to see how others are playing with varying pings on a daily basis.

Average ping time variance for an american:

If you are east coast then pinging to local servers is usually around 20-50. Central servers are usually around 60-90. West servers are from 90 - 130. The same is true if you're west coast. Central players enjoy a ping anywhere from 30-80 to all servers (central, east and west)

There are a very few who ping 20 to local servers but it does happen.

41ms vs 40ms might not be fair, theoretically speaking... but i think there are things more unfair than a 12 ms differential when you are already in the 50's

like skill? and luck. and other less important shit like fps, config, sperm count, etc

I agree phil. It's also interesting to take note that this such a minor in ping variance hasn't held much weight up until Paradoks decides to blame his loss upon it.

It's a bunch useless bullshit.

#81 it's more the difference of 13 that we're talking about rather than 1 phil and that actually made the whole difference for both players so plz stop your BLAH :I

and for the freakin last time: YES uneven pings cause uneven games and if rules favour lpb comfort over fair play for whatever reason then you'll be gettin whine from disadvantaged players. whats not to understand.

and it does not matter on what pings the players evolved during the years. ping x vs ping y blah? who cares for that, please shut up already. it's all true, interesting and should affect the scores but in no way tournament rules.

skill is being able to play good at any ms (if its stable enough).

#85 - I agree within reason. If you're in the upper echelon of the qw elite I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to do serious damage with up to 55 ping against a 12 ping competitor. Life is full of uncertainty. If you're a top competitor you need to be able to compensate for the variances life throws at you and make up for it by fine tuning and honing your skills. For example, if you're a professional sports athelete you're likely to suffer from bodily injuries, or be jet lagged from a flight going to your opponents home-town. You may have broken up recently with your girlfriend, or maybe your father recently passed away. My point is you need to develop your skills that much further before going into competition if you are determined to take home the win.

I've said this before, if your 55ms game is weak, then practice with it and get it to a competitive playing level if you're determined to win tournaments.

Last post was a response to #84 ;<<

right.. stop agreeing with urself oneshotflinch :< damn ego :<

well, if you don't understand that the effect of minping goes WAY beyond simply having higher ping, then this conversation is obviously useless. Plz read http://quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3503

Para -> you can reroute if you dont like minping, so dont take it as an excuse.

kurwa is 1337

besides, the minping issue can be fixed, just give me someone recent mvdsv source code (VVD?):D

the problem is with lag being added only to outgoing packets (or incoming, cant remember now :D)

to imitate real ping, lag has to be divided on both incoming and outgoing packets, this should stop fooling prediction code.

zomg!

the current minping implementation is totally screwd. i always reroute when facing ping whiners

Para, 'tis 'ere aint no flowerly girly conversation in case you ain't noticed none. Were just a flamin' your'a fat-ass 'ere becausa you're tha single most bitchin', whinin' an god'arn "zzz"-ing wet behind the pussylips little girl around these 'ere parts of cyberspace now mkay?!

Hagge
I bet this never would of happened to Chuck Norris :<<

look what i found...

SOME MORE BLAH BLAH BLAH

100 comments reached in only 3 more BLAHS!

go for it gadget people B<

Blah #1.

Blah #2.

And blah #100! I almost got an erection because of this :)

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i touched phils testicles and contracted herpes.