Well, after watching my demo again, I think I do suck. For the whole 3 minutes of this game, I sat at RA pretty much the entire time. Then my parents came home and I had to take out the garbage. But as for the game, it's amazing how good you can appear to be when you play like a pussy. Oh yea, I should also mention that later on, I played Krix and lost. But that was only becuase I let him win. Oh wait, it was because I wasn't trying. Well shit, now I'm confused, I don't know what excuse I should have used.

I would also like to mention that krix is a good player and so is snd. Infact they are very good maybe even incredible.... exept snd sucks ass and krix is all aim and no brains. And on a 10 ping I would have to let krix try. haah

try = win
mistake

Dylan -

I'm going to try and finalize this bullshit between me and you once and for all. First and foremost, there's no doubt that you've become a much stronger and better player since when i first met you. Anyone, and I do mean most anyone can get better at almost anything they do with countless hours of practice which I'm assuming you've done with Quake 1.

There was a point several years ago where I literally played Quake 4-8 hours a day and was much better at it than I am now. I sense that you are at that point with Quake where I was several years ago. Anyways, I don't doubt that on several maps you would beat me, but on the other hand I'm sure there's several maps that I would beat you on. Basically this is because we choose to practice a lot of those given maps.

Speaking of maps, I've played most of the dm and several of the single player maps for many years now and have grown ever so tired and bored of them. As many people have disagreed with me, I've found a lot of enjoyment in third party maps such as toilet4, lava, tree, and about a dozen others. I'm fairly certain that if I played you 1on1 on dm6, you'd beat me because I haven't played a serious 1on1 on that map in over a year I bet. Just like I'm fairly certain that if you played me 1on1 on toilet, tree or one of the other maps I play much more often, you'd probably lose. It's simply a matter of who's played what map more.

Argue with me all you like, that's my point of view. I'd say the biggest difference between you and I now is the simple fact that Quake is a game to me. Quake seems to have become an outlet for you to try and impress others or enhance your ego. In actuality all you're doing is alienating yourself from all those that still play this game online and try to enjoy it.

There's no doubt that it's fun to win whether it be a team game or a 1on1. But it's a game, take it for that. I still enjoy playing quake for the most part because I've continued to play with the same group of close friends for several years now who don't take the game so seriously, are willing to try new maps, etc. and most importantly have more fun just goofing around than trying to "beat everyone down" like you seem to do sometimes.

Finally some words of advice which you can take with a grain of salt if you so choose. If you're going to 1on1 someone like you did Krix the other day, don't shoot walls, make stupid rj's etc. If you truly want people to believe that you're the best, then regardless who you're playing, play at 110% and don't "goof off or not try" as you claim to do. Most of the players are tired of hearing excuses like "I didn't try" etc. Try and try everytime that way there's no mistake or misunderstanding. I don't think I've ever seen Thresh, Reptile or any of the old school players running around during a match doing stupid rocket jumps, shooting walls, etc.

If you still feel the need to 1on1 me then I only ask that there be two games. One of your choice of map and server, and one of my choice of map and server. If that will finally satisfy your appetite to "rape me" then if it will cease your constant barrage of comments then I'd be happy to oblige. Hopefully you'll get past this point of acting childish and immature over "a game". I only call it that because that's the impression you leave people when you act that way. It's a game Dylan, try and have fun with it.

Peace

I think there is a few things you do not understand. First of all you think I try to impress people but i do not. You probably think this because you believe I posted the 1 on 1 demo with bk. I did not play well in that game, which would make the demo garbage in my opinion. I basically post demos here for 2 reasons. The first is incase I want to download it; because its probably one of my favorite demos. The second is to help people (quake friends).(exept for the one with snd that was fun) If I really really cared about this game like you think then I would probably hang out in irc channels and join clans and stuff. Clan OSO is just a for fun clan its not a real clan. I believe I am the best because I have consistently been able to beat people who I believed were very good on even ping. I am sure you could beat me at a bunch of maps pop.

Point taken, I reiterate that what I stated was my point of view. You say that you don't try to impress people but again I state that's the impression you give. Again this is my opinion.

You state that you really don't care about the game. I find that hard to believe since you've obviously practiced enough to get a lot better. For a person to put that much effort to improving their game, to challenge the better players, and to state that you think that you are the best, I find it hard to believe you say you don't "care" about the game.

I'll state once again, that you're entitled to believe you're the best, but that won't be accepted for a number of reasons. First, you'll never play any of the true great players like Thresh, Reptile, etc. today, tomorrow, or ever. Secondly, to prove that you're the best I said you need to play consistently. None of these "I didn't try that game" comments when you lose.

Dylan, I can only say that if you want to be recognized as a truly elite player, with the respect of that like BlackKnight, play with dignity, be respectful of your opponents and play hard all the time with no excuses. I use BlackKnight as an example because it seems like most people like him, he's a good player and in my oppinion he sets a good example of how to act in regards to this game.

I hope some of this makes sense to you and you can understand where I'm coming from. I just like having fun in Quake in an effort to keep a classic game from dying out.

Peace.

Dude, herbed, don't waste your time with POP. He isn't good now but he was good 2 years ago? LOL!! Who are you kidding, POP? You aren't good now, and you were NEVER good. Find one decent player who thinks you're good? And then try to con herbed into playing you on a custom map you practice on 24/7? It's too funny how you are trying to say others invest too much in a game as old as q1 when you probably spend more time just typing your crap 2 hour monologues here. Get a life, and stop crying, you disgrace. You suck at quake and you suck at life, too!!

I love this silver haze guy, hes awesome. Anyways I see what your saying pop but you misunderstood what I said. What I ment was I don't care what people in quake think of me. I became good at this game because I really enjoy it. I try to play against good players because I like to test myself and because I like to try to improve at everything I enjoy doing. I'm arrogant (sp?) thats why I say I'm the best. Basically I'm the type of guy that when a girl asks me to buy her a drink I'll refuse and ask for her to buy me one. I don't know if you will understand what I just said but I think its a decent quick description of myself. To be 100% honest I kind of agree with Haze though, I do not really see any point of talking about this anymore. Hey Haze how can I get in contact with you? msn icq aim?

What up herbed. Nice demo, man. SND's trademark crying demonstrated yet again. You should wear your new DY tag now that we own clan DY. I'm usually on Trinicom but if you can't find me there sometimes I go to IRC.ENTERTHEGAME.COM in #trinicom. Way to own POP and SND.

- Silver-dY-

Trinicom for life.

I don't think I have IRC I'm not sure. If I don't I'll have to download it to come and say HI!! Thanx but I can't take credit it was the training... haha. Actually I'd like to fix something I said previously. I said Krix had no brain but thats not true. He is just way too confident in his ability that he becomes predictable.

grow up and start playing QW http://equake.quakeworld.nu

Listen to sassa kids

If you fucking girlscouts are done with this NetQuake Childrens daycare pussy shit and feel like growing some balls...start playing QW.
You'll get raped hard but at least people might think your cool.

QW players own netquake players like yesterday and BK is a d1ck, no question. You girls gotta play QW if you're gonna graduate to the next level. Sup Herbed =]

PS. Once the QW bug bites you, you'll gladly delete netquake off your drive forever. Give it a chance, say 2 - 3 months. Aside from that QW players are easily 100x more mature than the little snob, stuck-up bitches that play netquake and waste their lives away.

Why don't you go delete the Internet off your drive forever, BillZ? At least some of us "stuck-up bitches" don't waste our lives away trying to program crap for a game that is 20 years old like you do. You dumb, bitter, loser. You're lucky you ran away to QW or I might make you pay for your hubris.

P.S. your proquake rip-off client sucked and so do you.

Saying XQuake was a ripoff of Proquake is like saying Proquake is a ripoff of Carmack's original Quake engine.

I didn't run to QW, I just found a game that was playable with 100 ping.

If I spend time teaching myself programming a "20 year old game" as you put it, isn't what's really sad is you have nothing to show for playing a game that's "20 years old."

Carmack has graced programmers with a game that as old as it is, is still a valuable learning tool. Infact Id inovated many of the technologies found in games today. Most of the code found in Quake is applicable to today's games.

When I made XQuake I didn't have the Master's in Computer Science J.P. Grossman had nor did I have any conventional training. Yet it still found its way to being one if not the most popular client used by Quake players for many months.

Since my days of being a self-taught programmer developing XQuake I have taken a 2 year diploma course in computer game programming. My work with XQuake, as things turned out, served me well as it was a prerequisite of my being accepted into my course. This enabled me to bypass having to pay for another course in programming basics.

I am into the 3rd semester with an overall grade average of 95% (the highest in my class). A rigerous course none-the-less covering many advanced concepts in C++ and DirectX in only 2 months.

In this course I have also developed graphical engines using C++ and the DirectX API. The engines I have built support Maya skinned animation, Maya terrain collision, as well as many of the other features you'd expect in a Game Engine such as Lighting, Direct Sound, Direct Input, etcetera. I have made a first person shooter game, and a 2.5D Zelda style game. As of now I'm working on a 3rd person game that's still in the concept stage.

So tell me smart guy, what have you accomplished with your time playing Quake? I hope it hasn't all amounted to just being BK's bitch, and thousands of hours of playing a game that has zero hope of making a comeback.

QW on the other hand is very popular in Europe. This speed of the game allows for many maps aside from dm6, and dm3 playable. Infact I'd say Aerowalk, Ztndm3, dm2, dm4, dm6, skull and e1m2 all share a nearly equal stage in the game. Bunny hopping and speed jumps are a skill unto themselves and have seemingly endless possibilities for learning new ways of maneuvering the maps. This is highlighted by the many speed jumping maps available on almost all the DM servers. QW features many DMM4 maps on the servers that allows one to master their aim in a competitive arena. The Midair mod is built into the ever popular KTPro mod, which is a fast paced arena mod where you can only gib opponents by first blasting them into the air. The QW client/server is easily 100x better than any of the netquake ones available boasting more features and faster gameplay. Aside from all that the netcode in QW is by far superior. 100 ping in QW feels like 12 in NetQuake. If you played QW more than 2 years ago, and formed an opinion then chances are you will be amazed how much the client/server has been optimized. Play QW again, and you are sure to have a much better opinion of it now.

There is much better competition in QW as the game provides a better forum for a faster learning curve. I also think most of the good quake players moved onto QW a long time ago since QW was tailored for online play. Even the last known games of Thresh were in the QW realm. You can almost always find people to play QW with anytime of the day. It is still very popular in Europe and well played many other places around the globe. To see evidence of this just check the QW demos portion of this web site. Demos also feature watching players from both povs as if you were in observer mode on a server. Just tap the mouse button and you switch between players.

What have I accomplished in my time playing Quake? I don't accomplish anything by playing GAMES! As a result, I don't have to post my resume on GAME FORUMS on the Internet. I also go to a REAL school where GPA's are not PERCENTAGES.

Just face it, bill. You suck at quake, life and the Internet. This is why you have run off to QW with all of the other people who sucked at NQ. The sooner you admit it the sooner we won't have to read the garbage you are posting here. GOOD DAY, SIR!

Bwahaha. I have always done really well in school and always been among the top of my class, which is really aside from the point. The courses and school I attend is recognized in the industry and fully accredited and after this I plan on getting a degree in CS.

I'm suspect that it's evidently clear to anyone reading this blog that your issue with me is with prejudice.

If you ever do find your way to playing QW, I feel confident it won't be me whose getting schooled :p

In the infamous words of John Romero, "SUCK IT DOWN BITCH!!!"

You are most laughable :)

You're getting a degree in CS but think this is a blog. Enough said? That play on "school" -> "schooled" was pretty junior high, but I wouldn't expect anything more from you. My point still stands. You moved to QW because you sucked at NQ, just like everyone else. Even if you become the best player in QW, you'll always have to remember that you could still be beaten by a mediocre NQ player.

In the words of <you drowning in water in dm3 trying to discharge me when losing 150 to -3 in practice mode> "GULP, GULP". Wsup billz? Wsup?

You really need to keep on top of trends. Blog traditionally has meant "online journal" but in the last year has become synonymous with online forum.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that I sucked at netquake. I played netquake for only a couple years and was still new to the scene. Yet I managed to beat down your clan leader 3 games in a row at dm6. I also was offered honorary invite into DY (shoot me now).

I used to beat many of the so-called top players of netquake so wherever you're getting this convoluted preconception of me being bad at quake from is far from accurate. You'll just have to come to grips that a new school player was and is able to make you look like the little girl you truly are.

Practice mode is for *suspense* PRACTICE, you dumb fucking twit. I have no idea what practice game you're referring to, but if you take practice mode seriously you dumber than you sound.

I assure you, I have become a far better player than I was since I've been playing QW. For one the players are far better so it raises the bar at which one needs to play. The other reasons I already stated in post #16 of this thread.

I will however *drum roll* be more happy to make a public event of a game against you when you decide to grow some hair on your balls and start playing QW.

I know that you suck at quake because of all of the past games I've destroyed you in. That, combined with the fact that everyone else thinks you're awful. I just consulted with herbed and you never even were brave enough to 1v1 him, so I don't know how the hell you think you were ever invited to do jack. SUUURE you beat a top player in NQ.. that explains why you ran away to QW with your tail between your legs. LOL!!

It's reassuring to know that you have become a better player than you were before, since I find it hard to imagine you could get any worse? However, if you use your top of the 95% class computer-science LOGIC you will realize that you only think you are a better player because you are playing against lesser competition in QW.

Regarding you wanting to make a public event of a game with me, SURE. I will toy with you publicly just like Grossman did on the Proquake website. You will be humiliated once again and will have to run away to Everquest to escape your embarassment!! We will play 1 game of NQ, 1 game of QW, and if a tie-breaker is necessary I will fly up there and fight you in real life.

And no, "YOU dumber than you sound".. W'sup?

BillZ if you ever say you beat a member of DY in a fair game again I will personally find and destroy you. Two words for you: "Louisville Slugger".

And if those two don't register.. another two words, "Easton Aluminum".

http://www.geocities.com/pop_is_a_joke/

There was a 3rd game but I didn't bother getting a screen of it.

You have never beaten me before as I and 80% of the NQ community were banned from your server which was the only server you ever played at.

Herbed and I never dueled before because he was east and I was west. He didn't want to play west and I didn't want to play east. Simple. We did however duel in QW. You should ask Herbed how much of a joke he thinks QW players are. He had a chance to witness a QW tournament first hand.

You make it seem like JP humiliated me but I turned him down remember. On the front page of his web site:

"I was hoping to work with trujen to make the XQuake client compatible with cheat-free ProQuake servers, but unfortunately the negotiations just broke down. Bottom line: he doesn't think he's done anything wrong in not releasing the QuakePro+/XQuake source, so I'm choosing to not be associated with that project. Find out more here."

JP wanted to work with me, but I told him I was not yet ready to release the source code, and that's all there is too it.

The only reason JP probably said anything on his site in reference to these events is because a lot of people were pressing him to work with me, because they really liked the features my engine had.

You really need to get your facts straight. I know you prefer to live in a make-believe world, where you you get to form opinions based on rumors and biases, but I can't see that getting you very far in the real world. You are a typical reflection of the ignorance that shrouded the netquake scene.

And to conclude, since I have to spell it out for you, "You're 'as' dumb as you sound." POP everyone in netquake knows you to be a joke. If you hadn't noticed there's like 10 or less regulars. People are being nice to you because it's a numbers game now. BK only gave you a chance because I talked to him for you. I recall the demos you sent to me that supposedly would prove once and for all that BK was a cheater.

W'sup with that? :D

Whoa, billz. You beat BK by a whole frag. WITH your cheater quake, too. Right on. I guess you should be proud? I beat BK by 30 frags in 1v1 the other day and thought nothing of it?

Calm down there, POP. There's no point in getting all worked up about this fool, he isn't worth it. I'll just publicly humiliate him and this will all be done with. Billz, I'll even let you use your cheater quake when we 1v1 so you will have a chance at not ending up with a negative score. I think it's quite obvious to everyone why you were not ready to provide your source code and respect GNU licensing. You scum. No wonder you disappeared once cheat-free became popular. It's all quite clear now.

And BTW, I talked to herbed. He said you agreed to 1v1 but then never showed up on the server. Then two weeks later when he next saw you hiding in a ditch in TeamFortress you told him your Internet provider went down for 2 weeks so you couldn't play him. So you never "DUELED". Very brave of you, again. W'sup?

Herbed has no reason to bash me. We have always gotten along. Coupled with the fact that I have never or never will play TF, proves that you're lying through your ass.

I played Netquake for a long time after cheat-free was out, so again you're way off base. I was also a huge advocate of netquake going cheat-free and even went out of my way to have it become standardized, in spite of my own engine.

As for GNU-licensing, I'll admit I was wrong to withhold the source after releasing my engine to the public. I have nothing but the utmost respect for John Carmack and his open-source support for the programming community. If I could turn back time I would release the source code. 'Nuff said, what's done is done.

I will say I wasn't profiting for the time I withheld the source code, and at least I was doing something for quake community.


Quakeworld uses a much more sophisticated cheat-free system than Netquake. Multiple clients can connect to the same server, but crc checks are performed to authorize clients, proxies and models being used. This enables a more greater flexibility of choice for gamers. Tournaments can then enforce that only authorized clients to be used.

Now enough of all this battering. It's old. It's time to put up or shut up. Netquake plays like shit compared to Quakeworld so I see no reason to ever play it again. The netcode is old, the speed of the game is slow, and the client/server is antiquated. Feel free to continue playing "legacy quake." I have decided you are too LOL to even bother with, so I have prepared a "hit-list" so to speak before I'll even consider playing you. The following players are good and if you manage to beat one of them I'll come forth and play you.

Here's your list:

Def > From clan AG, one of the best in world. He's from Toronto, Canada. Remember how Slik came to netquake and created an upset? I'm not saying slik isn't decent but he's no Def. http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=demodetail&demo=27374

Cyan > From netquake you should know who he is.

Myth > From netquake, he's went by cell or llec incase you're dyslexic.

Yogic > Clan AG.

Kovaak > Clan Boss.

Thump > Clan Fired.

As it's highly unlikely you'll be able to pull much less a couple frags from the above, I've decided to be nice and provide you with a secondary list of players to compete with.

Sniper > decent. Clan Fired

JJ > aka Joker. From clan Bogo.

Bulldozer > clan AG.

-1 > One of the first to accel at bunnyhopping.

Blakbeard > clan Fired.

Devious > friend of slik.

Slik > you know who he is.

There's many more that I could add to this list, that fit into the 2 classes listed above, but that's your list. Stop talking to me and prove to me you have skill because I am hard pressed to believe it given how much of a tard you sound like. Post a link to the demo in this thread and then I guarantee I will play you. Given your history for lying I will expect the demo to be authentic.

Match Rules:

-Cheat-free authorized Fuhquake client with security.dll

-Best of 5. I pick the first map, loser picks map until best of 5 is played.

-The match must take place at QuakeWorld.US Chicago KtPro #1|284ms|205.138.193.250:27502 which I'm sure you'll ping better than me too.


Terms:

These are my terms, and I'm sure anyone would agree they are more than reasonable. If you don't like them, go fuck yourself.

Also, you must beat them in DMM3 mode, 10 min, no powerups, on either DM2, DM4, DM6, or AEROWALK.

You're a riot, billz!! Don't try to hide behind anyone. Just play me you pathetic tulip. Good god.. you can't be that afraid? Use your cheater quake. Chances are it can't make you look any worse than you just made yourself look with that last post. I could have finished you off twice in half the time it probably took you to type up all that crap. LOL @ you!!!

If you're half as good as you claim to be, it shouldn't be a hard feat to accomplish tough guy. If I'm personally guaranteeing that I will play you if you beat one of them, shouldn't I be more worried if you actually do win against one of these opponents? I'm inclined to believe you're a N00b, so I'm not going to waste my time on you, if you can't meet such a basic prerequisite, honestly, there's no hope you'll ever win against me. As already stated, if you don't like my terms, go fuck yourself.

LOL!! Look up a few posts where you said "I will however *drum roll* be more happy to make a public event of a game against you" and listen to yourself backpedaling now. I feel sorry for you, billz. However, I'll take your reluctance to embarrass yourself in a game against me as my own *drum roll* victory. I guess it's true, a war is really won before it's fought. Of course, if the second part of what you also said happens, and you "decide to grow some hair on your balls and start playing QW", let me know and I will happily put an end to you. Find me in #trinicom on ETG. That said, I suggest that the next time you challenge someone and try to act tough you consider the consequences so you don't look like such a fool once you wimp out. And BTW, don't try to act like you don't have time to waste when you make essay responses every other post on here and write a crap rip-off cheater client. Next time, put up or shut up. Don't be such a woman about it. Now everyone is laughing at you.

I'll let you run away in peace again now, billz. With your tail between your legs just like before. gg, billz, GG.

Trinicom for life. W'sup?

You make it seem like I gave you some insurmountable task. Everyone mentioned in the secondary list I have beaten before. All you have to do is play a simple 10 min warm-up game. The players aformentioned are regulars, and you can find them playing often.

Just like I predicted you are too much of a n00b to back up your mouth. I'm right here bitch, you want a piece of me, come get it. A simple 10 min game, and you act like I'm asking you to walk to the ends of the earth. What a fucking joke.

Owned.

Hey Billz, pay attention to the ip's you fucking retard. Super Silver Haze has a notion to impersonate me because he worships me.

Post 22 was not by me but I love the "pop is a joke" URL. Makes me proud to see that you go to the trouble of things like that. I'm so flattered. Next time, pay attention you nerd.

I saw the IP, I thought you two might of been gay-loving roomies. If Silver is that much of an idiot to impersonate you, then give him hell. Why would I care?

It just amuses me that you'd go off on me like that when it wasn't even me not to mention that I don't ever recall having a problem with you or aware that you disliked me so much.

You're all a bunch of fucking kids that need to grow up, get a life and quit worrying so god damn much who's better than who over a fucking game thats nearly 8 years old.

Whatever happened to gaming online "FOR FUN"... all you children care about is who owns who online, etc. Who gives a fuck anyways, it's a game treat it as that. ALL OF YOU GET A FUCKING LIFE!

I didnt read all of this but... heres my 2 cents from some of what I read. I don't think that qw players own nq players. I dont believe that nq players own qw players. I tried to play qw a few times and the physics make it a different game than nq. The games are not the same. Slik kind of created an upset. He was an extremely good player.. but how good he was I do not know because he would not play even pings. Billz what you did for the nq community was great and personally if all the dm servers were not cheat free I would definately use pxquake because I like it way better. The two games are different qw is far faster and the physics are different whereas netquake is slower and I would think more thought provoking... if you get my meaning... more strategy i'd guess. The moves are harder to do. I think that since qw teaches so much speed it would be harder for someone who has never played it to goto it compared to someone who played qw to come to nq.. since they probably grew up on nq in the first place. oh and I just read some shit on post # 24... I dont even know who silverhaze is... I never knew anything about any duel or anything like that until I came here right now.. and I dont play team fortress either.. nor have I for more than a few minutes like once a few years ago

What up herbed. I investigated the matter and have found out that it was none other than PowersOfPain that was impersonating you on that TF server. That bastard.

Hey, POP, before you say things like "it's a game treat it as that. ALL OF YOU GET A FUCKING LIFE!" why don't you look in the mirror and ask who it is that tries to attack people with aluminum baseball bats in real life after losing to them in quake. W'sup POP? W'sup?

Also, POP, remember what I said about no one liking you in quake? Did billz get your clue phone ringing? NO ONE LIKES YOU, POP. NO ONE!! Welcome to reality!! W'sup??

Silver - First off, I could give a rat's ass who likes and dislikes me over the internet. Secondly, you must worship me since you feel the need to impersonate me (check post #22, that's your ip dumbass). I have no clue as to wtf you're referring to with regards to "aluminum baseball bats".

I don't know what's sadder, the fact that we both have come back to read the latest posts on this thread (which this will be my last), or the fact that you have such a pitiful existence your life consists of posing as other people, fabricating lies and falsehoods, and otherwise acting like a child over a game.

Anyways, GG THX and OWNED!

i only know Herbed on this thread.. He is a little cocky but i really dont notice it, i think you have to start talking trash first before he starts in. Hes pretty cool IMO.

But silver man, you have to be what 16? maybe 17? You have to grow up and stop hiding behind your internet tough guy personality. It is not healthy. Your most quotable line that you seem to use in every post is "You Suck at Quake, You suck at the Internet, You suck at Life".

Wow. You have succesfully made yourself sound like a 6th grader.

POP, i have seen him before on. I appreciate players like this. Im from the same boat. I like to play for fun and memories. Ive played it for 8 years but i just like to hop on, talk to some friends, then leave. If i played great that night, then good, if i sucked, oh well. It is a past time game for me.

LOL! "Disco-Drunkman"? Nice handle, POP. You know how I knew Disco-Drunkman was you, POP? Who else would ever say anything even remotely positive about you? Nice try, buddy. Just face it. No one likes you! Move on, get a life, get a friend. W'sup?

qw > NQ, u guys have no idea what skill really is ;>, if i wanted to ice skate i would goto skate world, not netquake... it must be your lack of aim , or your poor movement ability, but qw takes more attention to detail, more practice, timing, everything is far far more critiqued.

me thinks Immy could be gibby (notorious) ^_^

j/k i really have no idea but if there was a qw equivalent to gib it would be immy. They are both westside, have godly shaft, play similar styles and have familiar personalities.

Immy is a.k.a. shaftmetwisted in qw and he's freaken awesome. godly tier :P

I'd say he's definitely among the ranks of Kovaak, Def, Cyan and Myth (Cyan and Cell from netquake), Fiend, etc. :)

Straight up the games look similar. Nq is about as similar to qw as q3. I've played them both and they are not the same. QW takes tons of skill but the skills which make a player in qw don't even matter in nq so therefore I really have to disagree with the whole nq players suck. Proof? go back 5 years and throw the best 200 pinger from qw against the best nq 200 pinger and see what happens. The qw player wouldent be able to compete because straight up if you have 200 ping in nq and you own its all mental.

Plus before cell or cyan went to qw I could beat them both on even pings.

Straight up the games look similar. Nq is about as similar to qw as q3. I've played them both and they are not the same. QW takes tons of skill but the skills which make a player in qw don't even matter in nq so therefore I really have to disagree with the whole nq players suck. Proof? go back 5 years and throw the best 200 pinger from qw against the best nq 200 pinger and see what happens. The qw player wouldent be able to compete because straight up if you have 200 ping in nq and you own its all mental.